Exploring the relentless grace of God toward jacked-up people who don’t deserve it one bit.


Season 2 | Episode 6 | 4/17/2019

The Grace of God for the weeks before Easter

In this episode, Noel takes a stroll through the few weeks leading up to Easter in the Gospel accounts, highlighting specific acts of grace in Jesus’s actions and words.
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Season 2 | Episode 5 | 4/10/2019

Telling People to be Holy Doesn’t Lead to Holiness (Do we need another reformation?)

An interview with Elyse Fitzpatrick

On this episode, Noel talks about grace with his friend Elyse Fitzpatrick. They cover a lot of ground from the source of true strength in the Christian faith (spoiler alert: it’s joy) to the steel-toed boot of sanctification. It’s hard to explain this rambling conversation; you just have to listen to it.
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Season 2 | Episode 4 | 4/3/2019

Graceless Conversations About Race (when you don’t know what to say but you say it anyway)

An interview with Joel Muddamalle

On this episode, Noel talks with his friend Joel Muddamalle, the Director of Theology for Proverbs 31 Ministries about the touchy topic of race. They talk about how there is not enough grace in a lot of racial conversations, why there is a desperate need to lay down our tiredness and (justified) frustrations for the sake of unity in the body of Christ, and the pervasive shame that hitchhikes alongside good intentions.
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Season 2 | Episode 3 | 3/27/2019

When Social Media Turns On You (Living Your Faith In The Spotlight)

An interview with Michigan State University Quarterback Brian Lewerke

Riverview (the church where I serve as one of the pastors) has it’s roots at Michigan State University. Because of this, we get a steady stream of college students, including student athletes. This vantage point has given me the opportunity to watch first-hand as many of these young people ride the ups and downs of living in the sudden spotlight as Christians.

In this episode, I sit down with Brian Lewerke, the quarterback for MSU’s football team. We talk about football, how he handles the inevitable criticism of someone in his position, and living out a public faith when social media turns on you.




Season 2 | Episode 2 | 3/20/2019

Saving a “doomed” marriage (and making it gloriously ordinary)

An interview with New York Times bestselling author Karen Ehman

Karen Ehman is a New York Times Bestselling author who was told her marriage was doomed before it even began. More than two decades later, God has transformed her marriage to her husband Todd into a gloriously ordinary marriage filled with arguments that stem from starkly different personalities, boring and humdrum days, and tons of Gospel opportunities.

In this episode, Noel sits down to talk with her about her new book Keep Showing Up, a refreshingly transparent and honest look at marriage born from the crucible of Scripture and experience.

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Season 2 | Episode 1 | 3/13/2019

You’re a Wretch (and that’s okay)

Noel answers questions about his new book at a live event

For the debut episode of Season 2, Noel answers a bunch of questions at a live event about his new book Wretched Saintsincluding:
  • Why write this particular book after Unchained?
  • Can we ever live without something inside of us telling us we are doing our Christian life wrong?
  • Who was in mind when Noel wrote this book?
  • How does someone deal with a feeling of spiritual inadequacy?
  • Was the crazy definition of grace Noel used in the book developed as he wrote it or before?
  • Were Noel’s kids okay with him telling stories about them in the book?

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Season 1 | Bonus Episode | 1/2/2019

Bonus Episode (Noel talks about his new book)

Noel’s new book Wretched Saints releases on February 1, 2019. In this short bonus episode, he talks about the process of writing this book during a uniquely challenging season in his life.

Links to random stuff related to Wretched Saints

Free chapter of Noel’s new book Wretched Saints

Preorder Wretched Saints from Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Christianbook.com, or Target

Free five day devotional based on Wretched Saints




Season 1 | Episode 5 | 12/11/2018

Thomas Terry and Ryan Lister (The Rapper and The Professor)

Thomas Terry (Odd Thomas from Beautiful Eulogy) and Ryan Lister (Associate Professor of Theology at Western Seminary) join Noel to discuss the unique challenges of discipling artists in the church and how to help Creatives think more theologically and Theologians think more creatively.

Links to random stuff we talked about

Images and Idols

Canvas Conference

Humble Beast

Trinity Church

Western Seminary

Beautiful Eulogy


Free chapter of Noel’s new book

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Season 1 | Episode 4 | 11/21/2018

Joel Virgo (Paradoxical Preacher of Grace)

In this episode, Noel picks up a conversation he started with his friend Joel Virgo in an English pub a couple months ago. They talk about how the fear of God and the enjoyment of Him as Father go hand in hand, how God is never more awesome than he is in his mercy, and how our freedom in Christ can sometimes make us beat ourselves up when we inevitably sin.

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New Frontiers

Emmanuel Church

Worship from New Day 2018

Martin Lloyd Jone’s book on Romans 6

Free chapter of Noel’s new book

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Season 1 | Episode 3 | 11/14/2018

Emma Heikkinen (Sparkly Shepherd of Teenage Girls)

Noel sits down with the sparkly female version of himself, his 21 year old daughter Emma. Emma is a children’s curriculum writer, a professional writing major about to graduate from Michigan State University (anyone hiring?), and a lover of kids (especially middle school girls). Noel and Emma talk about how middle school sucks for everyone, law and gospel in parenting, and the crazy and beautiful example of the gospel shown by teenage girls who show their parents grace (yeah, you read that right).

Links to random stuff we talked about

River City Church (Grand Rapids, Michigan Church Plant)

Meet Generation Z: Understanding and Reaching the New Post-Christian World

Incredibles 2 Trailer

Law and Gospel in Parenting

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Season 1 | Episode 2 | 11/7/2018

David Zahl (Professional Purveyor of Grace)

On this episode, Noel sits down with David Zahl, director of Mockingbird for a wide ranging conversation about grace. They discuss the less than biblical (but paradoxically biblical) term “fallen from grace,” guilty pleasure music (like Meat Loaf and Barry Manilow), and the gospel according to Rachel DenHollander.

Links to random stuff we talked about

Law and Gospel: A Theology for Sinners (and Saints)

A Mess of Help: From the Crucified Soul of Rock N’ Roll

Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion And What To Do About It

The Mockingcast

Barry Manilow

Céline Dion

Meat Loaf

Rachael Denhollander’s Victim Impact Statement

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Season 1 | Episode 1 | 10/31/2018

Harvey Turner (Evangelist for Normal People)

Harvey Turner, pastor of Living Stones Church in Reno, Nevada and author of Friend of Sinners joins Noel on the debut episode to nerd out on Martin Luther, low anthropology, and talking to people about Jesus without being a weirdo.

A big shout out to EMSRY for the theme music and Josh Michels for the graphic design.

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Season 1 | Preview Episode 10/27/2018

On this preview episode you’ll meet the Chief Recovering Hypocrite (host Noel Jesse Heikkinen) as he shares the big idea behind this new podcast.

A big shout out to EMSRY for the theme music and Josh Michels for the graphic design.

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